Here's a little ecerpt from Songtans homepage and finance sheet.... 1.6 million won in prizes... this is why you want more players. do I really need to spell out that leagues like this rely on participation and dues being assesed properly? They have many players because their league dolls out goodies. They have damn near 650 players.
On the finance sheet the web hosting fee's stick out to me.
here's finance sheet:


[tr]
[th]DATE[/th]
[th]DESCRIPTION[/th]
[th]CATEGORY[/th]
[th]W/D[/th]
[th]DEPOSIT[/th]
[th]BAL USD[/th]
[th]W/D[/th]
[th]DEPOSIT[/th]
[th]BAL KRW[/th][/tr]
[tr]
[td]4-May-13[/td]
[td]Opening Balance[/td]
[td][/td]
[td][/td]
[td][/td]
[td]$2,797.41[/td]
[td][/td]
[td][/td]
[td]₩69,273.00[/td][/tr]
[tr]
[td]4-May-13[/td]
[td]112 New Teams[/td]
[td]Team Fees[/td]
[td][/td]
[td]$3,920.00[/td]
[td]$6,717.41[/td]
[td][/td]
[td][/td]
[td]₩69,273.00[/td][/tr]
[tr]
[td]4-May-13[/td]
[td]645 New Players[/td]
[td]Player Fees[/td]
[td][/td]
[td]$8,030.00[/td]
[td]$14,747.41[/td]
[td][/td]
[td]₩1,339,000.00[/td]
[td]₩1,408,273.00[/td][/tr]
[tr]
[td]4-May-13[/td]
[td]Print Fees[/td]
[td]Score Sheets etc[/td]
[td][/td]
[td][/td]
[td]$14,747.41[/td]
[td]₩220,000.00[/td]
[td][/td]
[td]₩1,188,273.00[/td][/tr]
[tr]
[td]4-May-13[/td]
[td]Admin Fees[/td]
[td]645 Players[/td]
[td]$3,225.00[/td]
[td][/td]
[td]$11,522.41[/td]
[td][/td]
[td][/td]
[td]₩1,188,273.00[/td][/tr]
[tr]
[td]4-May-13[/td]
[td]Web Fees[/td]
[td]Annual We Hosting Fee[/td]
[td]$85.00[/td]
[td][/td]
[td]$11,437.41[/td]
[td][/td]
[td][/td]
[td]₩1,188,273.00[/td][/tr]
Here's their last tournament:
We had a great turnout for the end of season tournament with 120 players. Special thanks to Stereo for hosting. And thanks to Shorty's, Xanadu, Rhino, Touchdown, Moonpower, Click, Avalon, Jammers, People's, and First Class for opening early to allow play.
Even with 120 players we finished up before midnight. Here's your big winners:

1st Jin - 500,000KRW

2nd Bill - 400,000KRW

3rd Yoon - 300,000KRW

4th Gin Hee - 200,00-KRW

5th Dirtbag - 150,000KRW

6th Noriel - 100,000KRW

I Propose establishing and electinga Steering committee (6-10 People)to evaluate major overhauls to the league format and structure, that addresses lack of a administrative team between seasons and looks for ways to improve the league over a longer term.

Mark, Songtan league has "damn near 650 players," but a cursory look at their website reveals they also have around 65 bars! That's ten players per bar.
Itaewon pool league has 375 players, but only 18 bars. That's over 20 players per bar.
I'd say Itaewon was a far healthier league.

So you want more players so you can win more money? There are tons of amateur tournaments that you can enter in Korea.




[Mark Barnes 2013-05-16, 10:22:43]:

Wow Really?
why don't we just divide the League into two teams and every wednesday we can meet up and not keep score, and while were at it, who needs ratings anyway.







[Jeff Potter 2013-05-16, 09:09:33]:


Why should we want more players?

No, I'm just suggesting ways to improve the league. Why do I get the feeling that anytime someone suggests any kind of improvement, the auto response is to throw hands in the air, spin aroundand fall over.





[Jeff Potter 2013-05-16, 11:59:01]:


So you want more players so you can win more money? There are tons of amateur tournaments that you can enter in Korea.








[Mark Barnes 2013-05-16, 10:22:43]:



Wow Really?
why don't we just divide the League into two teams and every wednesday we can meet up and not keep score, and while were at it, who needs ratings anyway.







[Jeff Potter 2013-05-16, 09:09:33]:


Why should we want more players?

Owens,
the problem I see in your assesmentis there are several bars in itaewon that have pool tables with no teams.






[John Owens 2013-05-16, 11:40:10]:


Mark, Songtan league has "damn near 650 players," but a cursory look at their website reveals they also have around 65 bars! That's ten players per bar.


Itaewon pool league has 375 players, but only 18 bars. That's over 20 players per bar.


I'd say Itaewon was a far healthier league.

So, because I don't see how adding more players to an already fairly large league, that means that I am against the improvement of our league? Have you ever heard of a straw man argument? This would be a perfect example.I am all for improvement. I just don't agree that adding more players will make our league better. I would actually argue that it is more likely to make it worse.

[Mark Barnes 2013-05-16, 13:01:21]:
No, I'm just suggesting ways to improve the league. Why do I get the feeling that anytime someone suggests any kind of improvement, the auto response is to throw hands in the air, spin aroundand fall over.






[Jeff Potter 2013-05-16, 11:59:01]:


So you want more players so you can win more money? There are tons of amateur tournaments that you can enter in Korea.








[Mark Barnes 2013-05-16, 10:22:43]:



Wow Really?
why don't we just divide the League into two teams and every wednesday we can meet up and not keep score, and while were at it, who needs ratings anyway.







[Jeff Potter 2013-05-16, 09:09:33]:


Why should we want more players?